This week's [GSAPP Conversations](https://www.arch.columbia.edu/conversations) podcast features Christian Kerez in conversation with 3rd-year M.Arch student Ayesha Ghosh. Kerez, who [lectured](https://www.arch.columbia.edu/events/450-christian-kerez) at the School in January, speaks about the relationship between wonder and structure, the importance of collaborating with engineers, giving students very tight parameters, and his sadness in finishing the last of Dostoyevsky's novels. "We did more than 300 models to really come up with this one. And the criteria - the ultimate criteria - for selecting the one and only model that would be scaled and later on built in Venice was that it had *strangeness* as a major quality." -Christian Kerez on Incidental Space GSAPP Conversations is a new podcast series produced in collaboration with [*ArchDaily*](http://www.archdaily.com/806013/introducing-columbia-gsapp-conversations-inaugural-architecture-podcast-exhibition-models-james-taylor-foster). All episodes can be streamed on our website via SoundCloud and are now [available for subscription on iTunes](https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/christian-kerez-in-conversation-with-ayesha-ghosh/id1214156714?i=1000382706774&mt=2). No headphones? [Read the transcript.](https://www.arch.columbia.edu/books/reader/210-gsapp-conversations-episode-4)
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